This is the official blog of ex-Sgt Ellie Bloggs. I was a real live police constable then sergeant for twelve years, on the real live front line of England. I'm now a real live non-police person. All the facts I recount are true, and are not secrets. If they don't want me blogging about it, they shouldn't do it. PS If you don't pay tax, you don't (or didn't) pay my salary.

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009

PC Bloggs Investigtes... the DV Murder

"Casey's been stabbed by her ex... she's not breathing..."

I don't know how often most police areas receive calls like that, but in Blandmore it's less than once a year. Across the force, just a handful of people are murdered by their partner or ex-partner each year. That's enough to form a decent percentage of our murders and to support the statistic that - if you are female and murdered, there is about an 80% chance it was done by a lover, past or present.

A Domestic Violence murder always makes the blood run cold in the morning meeting. The superintendent spends several hours in the crazed hope that the couple have never come to police attention before, as if normal, non-abusive partners just suddenly wake up one day and kill each other. When the inevitable previous incident/s is/are discovered, the Blame Standard Operating Procedure is pulled off the intranet and kicked into action.

The purpose of the Blame SOP is to negate the chance of a Homicide Review. If a force can identify its own failings and show how it's fixed them, a Review might not take place exposing failings which are not so easily fixable. For example, the chances are, the murderer has been arrested before for domestically abusing the same victim, or a different victim. If that is the case, there will be a slew of officers names involved the previous cases, any of whom are probably wholly responsible for the murder.

The SOP goes as follows:
  • Locate the last officer to arrest the murderer for a domestic-related offence. Failing that, any offence.
  • Dredge up the paperwork and scour it for undotted i's and t's lacking in crosses. List them on a Catalogue of Errors.
  • Listen to the interview tapes from the officer's interview. If any questions in the whole world that could have been asked, weren't, add them to the Catalogue.
  • If the offender was not charged with the offence of criminal damage/common assault he had been arrested for, locate the person who made that decision and include their name in your paperwork. Ask them why they made the decision, then discard their reply.
  • Search through both officers' previous cases and hope to find one where a similar Catalogue of Errors occured.
  • Draft a report suggesting that the officers should be fired.
  • At no point during any of the above should the question be considered whether there was anything realistically that the police could have done to prevent the murder.
As you may have gathered, we suffered a recent DV Murder in Blandmore. We had opportunities to lock the baddie up before he did it. We didn't lock him up, because the crystal ball informing us that he had planned the murder for years (he hadn't), was hidden away in a safe in the superintendent's office.

Every day, people abuse their partners and fail to go onto murder them. Every day, victims refuse to support police proceedings and live with their decision. Some don't. If we were able to tell the difference before it happened, we could save a lot of time. Because we can't, we spend all our time making sure that if and when the Blame SOP is triggered, it isn't our name on the decision that caused the murder.

The way I see it, we've got two choices:
Either we allow the police/courts to prosecute and convict people on little or no evidence, and without the support of the victim. In other words, we take over people's lives for them and tell them exactly what to do and who to fall in love with. Or we accept that DV murders will happen, and sometimes there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. Excepting of course the murderer himself, but then again his part in all this is by-the-by.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

It does strike me that the available target is being shot at here. As you say, there isn't realistically a whole lot the 'Force can do, barring Minority Report style technology, but in this day and age, someone must be blamed. You guys (oops, n gals) are the easiest available target.

24 February, 2009 17:17

Blogger Ellee Seymour said...

The sad part is all the advance warnings that have been ignored by the victim who perhaps offered to give him just one more chance...

24 February, 2009 17:56

Blogger Constable said...

How many times have you has to seek CPS advice on a domestic assault where the "victim" initially provides a statement but a day later goes through hoops to provide another one retracting the first. In our force because it is domestic related we still have to go through the motions of locking up the offender, interview then CPS. With them normally resulting the job NFA.

The result of this is that the blame doesn't lie at the feet of the police when it goes tits up. CPS are then responsible, hopefully the end result is never as bad as this (occassionally is) and the police have been seen to do all they can and foiled at the last fence. I would sooner have them charged if I have locked the offender up and gone through the motions.
Don't know if you have the same protocol on domestics but hopefully the bobbies should be safe from the "shudder squad"......shudder done that, shudder done this.

24 February, 2009 17:59

Blogger Metcountymounty said...

As I've said many many times to people "If I had a crystal ball and knew what was going to happen or if I could read minds and didn't need evidence or witnesses then I wouldn't be standing here, I'd be a billionaire living on my own beach island in the tropics instead of standing here in uncomfortable body armour debating the matter with you"

24 February, 2009 19:49

Anonymous Dr Melvin T Gray said...

Choice and Hobson come to mind, Ellie.

24 February, 2009 22:36

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jaques....And what makes you so sure that MCM hasn't got any balls?
He may well have huge hairy ones and is just pretending to be a bit of a Clark Kent, for all you know.
He may in fact be rather canny and does in fact have a crystal ball, and reads minds, AND have a private Island, which he is planning to escape to, with his millions....One just never knows, especially with cunning cops, known for their skills of subterfuge and bluff! Aint that right MCM? ;0)

Anyway....the trouble with people who just happen to fall in love with Bastards who beat them up, and they keep giving them another chance, is that mysterious thing called LOVE. Completely irrational, often defying all common sense, logic and reason. Love is blind. Love is a "drug". Love is a chemistry between two people. But sadly, love is often an illusion and it can turn to hate. Love is passion and love is forgiveness, and that is WHY some women go back to abusive partners.

It is hard to end a relationship with a "bad" abusive partner when there are kids involved. People often try to "work on it" for the sake of the kids, and from a woman's point of view, for the sake of security, home, finances. Because society gives single mums a very hard time, especially if they have to rely on benefits....They get treated like dirt, scroungers off the tax-payers. So rather than suffer that sort of degrading humiliation, they will hope that their problems can be worked out and resolved.

A lot of the problem stems from male lack of respect for women, and their desire to "own" and control women - a power trip due to their own insecurity.

25 February, 2009 03:18

Anonymous Retired Sgt said...

This is why it is so important that Pcs submit those annoying bits of paper every time and on time...So that the Supt can do a Shoesmith and show that every thing has a paper trail and all the procedures were followed.Where it all falls down of course is when
1.The CPS do not charge so the individual is free to go back to his violent ways
2.The victim retracts so the offender is free to go back to his violent ways....
At the end of the day any woman is
free to walk away....and I know there will be issues of stalking etc but no one has to suffer Domestic Abuse...and so very often the woman does not report it until it gets really bad...which is why every CJ agency must deal with it robustly.

25 February, 2009 10:15

Blogger Hogday said...

I loved the bit about `love`. Reminded me of the domestic where man lowlife was stood outside the flat containing female lowlife who'd just retrieved the colour TV from a bath full of water - where low life male had dumped it in a fit of pique. She'd kicked him out (for the umpteenth time). Male stands on the grass outside whilst female, a vision of very unlovliness, all greasy and swearing, stands on the balcony. PC says to LLmale, "Is this really worth it? `I mean, ask yourself the question, `do you really love her`? "Course I fookin loves her" came the reply, immediately followed by a shout up to Juliet on the balcony, "Gimme back my fookin clothes, you dog". PC walks away, crestfallen.

Domestics? The one place where you can probably predict a murder. It's the `how and when` thats a bugger.

25 February, 2009 10:49

Anonymous PC Michael Pinkstone said...

All relationships should be treated as murders waiting to happen. Then we can't possibly be blamed if something goes wrong.

Hang on, that's how we treat relationships at the moment, and we still get blamed. I'm not sure if there's a stage of paranoia beyond what where we are at present, but you can be sure that we'll find it if there is.

25 February, 2009 12:24

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not just about love. There's countless reasons a victim would stay.

When a woman leaves is when she's most likely to be murdered so depressingly giving the abuser "one last try" is sometimes the safest thing to do. Some victims are socio-economically dependent on their partner and can't leave.

Abuse and trauma can destroy people psychologically. Being beaten and raped is horrendous and causes PTSD and other mental health issues - when you're so depressed you can barely get out of bed or when you're so traumatised you can't see more than a few hours ahead then leaving is impossible.

The police CANNOT magically make the reasons that victims stay go away. This is NOT just a police matter and NOT one the police can take sole responsibility for. By the time the police are called victims have been beaten many times and is very badly affected by what's gone on, there's no way the courts can magically fix that. There's no one solution to DV, it needs to be a multi agency approach involving educating people on the issues and identifying people at high risk of becoming abusers or victims. People need to accept that and accept that tragically people will be hurt instead of just throwing blame around.


Early warning signs
"Why doesn't she just leave"


25 February, 2009 16:50

Blogger quixote said...

Right on target, Kelly.

Yes, by the time it gets to the police the situation is already out of hand. But that and a nanny state are not our only choices. PCBloggs has gone off the rails a bit here.

Violence against women, whether inside a house or out, is a huge problem and the ultimate means to make sure women stay second-class. To say that brutalized women should leave or prosecute to stop the (male) problem because the police can't deal with it anyway rather misses the point.

25 February, 2009 18:59

Blogger uniform said...

..of you want an up to date example of this subatomic level , microscopic examination of any humanoid contact with a person who becomes dead shortly after imbibing air near to ,or adjacent to ,a unformed patrol officer (not likely to happen on the third floor , is it ? ) look at the IPCC Stalinist show trial site.

A man in the street died after a bobby had been seen to stop and speak to him , a while latter he did expire, the subtext is probably self induced drugs.

If only the bobby had not gone out of the station on patrol , if only.

25 February, 2009 19:21

Blogger staghounds said...

1. If you're beating or screaming at someone, what you feel is not "love".

2. If you permit someone to beat or shout at you, then what you feel is not "love".

3. If someone is beating or shouting at you, or giving you even ONE opportunity to do those things, that person does not "love" you.

4. God forbid we should blame the public or its parliament, which has set up this mad system.

26 February, 2009 02:51

Blogger staghounds said...

And, Anonymous@1.19, there are plenty of things your victim can do. She wouldn't take it from a stranger or a shop clerk, she shouldn't take it from someone who is supposed to treat her BEST.

Send me a mail if you want some ideas, I've had some success with prosecuting "powerful" defendants.

26 February, 2009 02:57

Blogger Hogday said...

A few things I learnt both during my service when I left the force and worked for a DV victims organisation:

The psychological abuse is often worse than the physical. Many of my former clients told me that after days of name calling, demeaning and belittling, the first punch, bizarrely, came as a relief.

Packing a bag and leaving cannot be a spontaneous thing and last - its only an emergency measure to prevent imminent serious harm. Leaving takes a lot of working up to, planning and utmost secrecy until the last minute.

Once you leave, your personal risk goes way up.

Partners pre-disposed to this behaviour rarely stop.

26 February, 2009 12:35

Anonymous Fee said...

Surely we need to get back to putting the blame squarely where it lies? If someone is murdered by a 'partner' then only that person is to blame. The police can only do so much without moving in to the house.

I've never been a victim of domestic violence, but I helped a relative leave a violent husband. Four times I helped her leave, and four times she went back. Each time it would be fine for a while then it would all kick off again. The police were fantastic throughout, although they must have despaired of her at times, because she made and then retracted statements on a weekly basis.

When he met someone else and left his wife and family, we threw a party then changed the locks. We also rather hoped he'd beat up his new girlfriend as she comes from the sort of family where he'd be in the sea wearing concrete wellies after the first punch.

26 February, 2009 15:52

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So very true Hogday, bringing to mind a DV case of some magnitude. Gary Weddell discovered his wife was having an affair. Drawing upon his professional experience, Inspector Weddell hatched a plot to commit the perfect murder and almost got away with it when colleagues were inclined to release his wife's body for burial. A murder charge only arose through furious actions by relatives of the deceased.

Leaving aside the question of who in their right mind would grant someone bail on a murder charge, Weddell remained both free and untagged. He proceeded to break strict bail conditions with impunity and later joined a local gun club where he was handed firearms?? These lethal tools then provided him with the means of murdering his mother-in-law. Supportive colleagues felt obliged to take proper action, although by this time Inspector Weddell had already turned one of his club guns upon himself.

I simply remind you, Hogday, that this loving husband was a fellow police officer and like you, preached the need for tough action in cases of domestic violence. Did his own police force do enough to prevent these murders?

26 February, 2009 15:57

Blogger WeePeeCee said...

Who in their right mind?
Judge John Bevan, QC. After Weddell's brother, a barrister, put up a hefty bail bond.

So I think the answer to your last question, anon, might actually be 'yes'.

26 February, 2009 16:49

Blogger Hogday said...

Thankfully, being a despiser of bullies, I prosecuted the crap out of every DV case I could, despite the resistance often shown by the CPS. On my last big one ( a `threats to kill` pleaded down by the CPS and defence wheeling and dealing to `common assault`) the judge at least saw through the bullshit and the guy got the max on the other charges, consecutive and went away for 15 months. His victim sent me a Xmas card for 5 consecutive years. My conscience is clear.

26 February, 2009 17:43

Anonymous Mac said...

Absolutely 100% spot on Bloggsy. A 100% accurate depiction of what happens when a DV related murder occurs. The knock on effect means that each and every Domestic is treated as 'tomorrow's murder', solely becaue no one wants their name in the frame if the BLAME SOP kicks in months down the line. 'Tomorrows Murder' is a phrase I have been told on every piece of DV training input and literature I and all other officers here have received for years. We have targets for arrest rates for DV incidents. Just arrests, regardless of what actually happened. Any officer who doesn't arrest has to justify themselves as to why they didn't think an offence was committed or why they thought arrest wasn't appropriate. The fact that the victim said at the scene that they wouldn't make a statement is irrelevant (might be under duress - even if it's obvious they aren't). Therefore it's just easier to forget discretion and arrest regardless. As a result a fair chunk of the complaints I deal with are from women who dialled 999 in the heat of the moment during a row (I stress no assault or injuries caused) and ended up with their partner spending a night in the cells and having their DNA and prints taken. They still think some 'more mature' officer will come round and sit them both down and give a bit of free marriage guidance over a cup of tea! I tell these women a precis of WPC Bloggs' excellent account above and stress how seriously domestics are taken. I explain the futility of a complaint made on the basis that 'police take DV too seriously' and they get the point. However there will now forever be a bone of contention within the relationship. The problem is there are plenty of feminist mouthpieces still getting media airtime banging on about how the police don't take DV seriously when absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. Off the top of my head I can't think of another area of policing (even racist incidents)where officers would be less likely to exercise their own discretion because there is no area where the Blame SOP is more vicious.

And still it's always our fault.

26 February, 2009 17:52

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Staghounds..anon @ 1.19am, "the victim" has put up a good "fight" over a very long period of time. The post appears to have been removed by Ellie, who must have had her reasons. Had a look at your web-site, but there's no indication as to how or where to email you for help, as suggested in your post.

"The Victim"

27 February, 2009 02:42

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an ex det sgt I can see the pattern in the above post from hogday re the plea bargaining. In the cas cited the Cps were looking at a 2 day trial on the threat to kill indictment against a quick and easy plea-down, weighed off in 20 mins. Rubber stamp `justice` at a third the cost of a trial for the real crime. Fact of life. Don't expect `justice` in criminal courts. If people want to get even, sue for damages, if there's any money to be screwed from the offender. if not, your stuck with public sector `justice`.

27 February, 2009 09:02

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot agree with Staghounds take on "shouting" at someone not being "Love". Shouting usually happens as a release of anger. You can love someone, who perhaps winds you up for days on end, and can finally lose patience and shout and yell at the person because of what they are doing or saying to you.

Mothers can and do shout at their kids because of bad behaviour and still love them. Teachers often shout at unruly kids. Drill Sergeants shout at soldiers to obtain the correct behaviour.
I think that it really is a big mistake to just asume that any act of "shouting" is abuse. It isn't and we don't, thank God, live in a "Stepford Wives" society, although that's what the government appear to be trying to engineer.

The quiet, sly "whispered" nasty and hurtful comments and threats from someone, over a period of time, can do far more psychological damage to a person than being shouted at in anger. Shouting at someone is often a release from extreme stress.

I know from experience how the sly abuser works with their nasty remarks, intended to hurt and wind one up. Never heard by anyone else but the intended victim, who at some point is pushed too far and responds with an angry outburst. Often there are witnesses to it and the abuser then takes the stance of "Look, she's a nutter, she's totally unreasonable, I haven't done anything at all to deserve her "abuse". I have known a number of males who have used that tactic, and got away with it because they manipulate the situation and justify themselves by making their victim look bad.
That's the worst kind of psychological and emotional abuse. It's worse than a punch or a slap.
Bruises heal, but the hurtful words and threats that burn into the mind and soul, are harder to forget and recover from.

28 February, 2009 01:34

Anonymous Pete said...

So PC Bimbo, what you are saying is that your negligence in a prior investigation was a contributory (and preventible) factor in a current DV murder?

28 February, 2009 22:46

Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was a perfect example of exactly how a senior officer would misread a DV write-up. Pick out who you want to blame whilst ignoring the actual content of the post.

Are you a senior officer? With that comment it is clear you haven't attended any domestics :-)


01 March, 2009 20:12

Blogger Constable said...

No Anonymous (Tango),

that's Pete, he is just boring and puts inane comments on this blog occassionally.

Obviously someone who dislikes the author, best to just ignore him, shame canestan doesn't work when applied to computer screens or blogs. Would work wonders if it did.

02 March, 2009 07:50

Anonymous TheBinarySurfer said...

Personally how about we blame the idiotic woman (sometimes a man, granted but more often than not a woman) who took her abusive ex-partner back time and time again after?

Nanny state / arse covering culture at work again.

02 March, 2009 09:05

Anonymous Lippo said...

Spot on.

The Top Brass seem to think we can prevent these things happening - what a load of crap.

We don't live peoples' lives for them, and they are responsible for themselves. When will the powers-that-be work this out?

02 March, 2009 18:58

Anonymous Anonymous said...

BinarySurfer your post is victim blaming and ignores the fact that staying apart from an abuser is not always possible. I'd suggest you look into the issue a bit more.

Ellie I emailed you I hope you get it OK


02 March, 2009 20:43

Anonymous Anonymous said...

DV must be a nightmare, the P.Constable is the odd man out,during and after the altercation, then the bosses victimize the PC. The courts then get their turn to chastize the poor responder, The messenger of bad news always gets an ear full.
Fortunately there ARE other aspects of the Police work that can be rewarding!!!!,I hope so!!!!.

03 March, 2009 01:28

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nowt to do with you. As much as I appreciate what you do, you deal with the aftermath.

Motive, and whether anyone cares, as far as the law and the courts are concerned, doesn't matter. It was done. :(

04 March, 2009 20:57

Anonymous Retired Sgt said...

I see the CPS has just admitted that it was at fault over the murder of Sabina Akhtar by Malik Mannan by refusing to charge him with threats to kill which meant that bail conditions were dropped and 5 days later he burst into her home and killed her.The IPCC are now investigating as well.Guess who will be paying the price for CPS inaction?Answers on a postcard to.....

06 March, 2009 17:40

Anonymous Retired Sgt said...

Can I refer to you all to point 1 of my comment on 25 Feb.I hate to say I told you so.....

07 March, 2009 11:20

Anonymous another anon said...

"2. If you permit someone to beat or shout at you, then what you feel is not "love"."

If you permit? Like, "ok then, hit me baby one more time. I'll let you."?

Abused people generally don't have the authority to "permit" or not to "permit" the actions of their abusers. Why? Because abusers have generally made sure their victims are not in a state resembling anything like self determination.

Domestic violence, like most intimate abuses, hinges on power differentials within relationships, not "love". Women may "love" their abusers but please don't confuse their seeming inability to escape from hellish situations with some kind of dappy, lovey dovey romanticism.

Women needing help to flee from abusive relationships can call the Women's Aid/Refuge National 24hr dv helpline on 0808 2000 247

14 March, 2009 03:02

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had a male victim and after taking positive action against the suspect I gave him the above tel no. He then asked

why was the no entitled "Womens Aid" when youve just told me about 20% of victims are ... men?

A difficult one to answer that! I'm sure there is a reason but dont know what it is.

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