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Friday, May 30, 2008

One Person's Word

Thanks to a reader for this article, in which you can see how the British justice system is famed throughout the Western world. The article is about, yet again, the rape conviction level in this country.

Unfortunately there are some hysterical quotes such as: "rape cases are 'not a priority' for busy police and prosecutors" and "But what is the point... [when] the defense contends that the sex was consensual and the jury is told to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt?" The first is simply not true and the second is somewhat unavoidable.

Crown Prosecutors are loath to charge rape in my area if one of the following applies:
  • The woman was drunk.
  • She was seen kissing him earlier in the night.
  • She has communicated with him before/after the offence.
  • She voluntarily went with him somewhere private.
  • She is uninjured.
  • She delayed reporting it.
  • She isn't sobbing when she speaks to police.
In the last few months, I have dealt with two cases where a Crown Prosecutor has refused to charge a suspect because "it's one person's word against the other". However in the past I have also gone to court for cases where it is one person's word against the other and had the offender plead guilty, or be found guilty on the compelling evidence of the victim.

Our court system was founded on the concept of one person's word against the other, to be aired in front of a jury of their peers, who decide who they think is telling the truth. If there is other supporting evidence such as witnesses, CCTV, bad character of the defendant, there is always going to be a better chance of conviction. But just because there aren't these things, does not make the allegation untrue, nor does it mean you won't get a conviction.

How many rapes do you imagine take place where the victim has not voluntarily gone somewhere with the suspect, where she does not know him, has not communicated with him? How many where she isn't drunk? Sadly this is the reality of rape.

I await the slew of commenters asking me how I expect people to be found guilty based on the above, whether I recommend reducing the burden of proof, whether I think all men are rapists. I don't.

But I do expect Crown Prosecutors and courts to have a vague glimmer of understanding of the circumstances under which rape occurs - where a woman (or man) has perhaps considered sex initially, been flirtatious or at the least naive, and then been raped. These victims (the majority of rape victims) don't have injuries because the attack has been insidious, with intimidation or the situation used to control them rather than force. It isn't the same as being snatched off the street - which frequently results in serious injuries or murder. It shouldn't probably be sentenced as severely. But it is still rape.

If it is one person's word against the other, you may not get a conviction at court. But if on the face of it the allegation appears consistent, surely the decision should be made by a judge and jury and not by one Prosecutor in a dingy office on their own? At the very least, the next time the offender rapes somebody, you will have the whole evidence of the previous case against him.

The stories quoted in the article make me angry: not because the defendant wasn't found guilty or because I believe that the investigations were as sloppy as is suggested. But because of the fact that these victims were made to feel worse than if they had never reported being raped at all.

Then again, maybe that is the real crime of rape. And maybe it is those who commit rape who should be blamed for it.

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50 Comments:

Anonymous pzgirl said...

You sum up our crazy legal system perfectly. It is biased towards the offender and against the victim from the outset. All those who think it isn't haven't tried to get cases through the CPS.

30 May, 2008 12:17

 
Anonymous notellin said...

CPS don't do jobs with a a 50/50 chance of success never mind below that.

For Rape, given the conviction rate is so low, CPS, perversely, are even less likely to take on a job unless they are virtually guaranteed a conviction.

Every Rape conviction they get will, after all, improve the news headline grabbing very poor conviction rate for Rape.

Conversely every Rape allegation that they refuse to charge on that is not a sure thing will also improve headline grabbing very poor conviction rate for Rape. After all if they don't go through the court system then their is no prosecution to fail in the first place.

So basically their clear but unwritten intent to improve the conviction rate for Rape, is only to take on cases that are almost guaranteed of conviction and to refuse to prosecute the rest so they don't add to the number of cases that fail to get convicted. Sort of like managing your targets from both directions at once.

This sort of target management isn't new of course, schools have been accused of it as well. They were accused of only seeking to get the best and brightest of the newer pupils who would get good exam results and refusing places or later excluding those who were likely to do poorly. That way when exams came around the thick / lazy or disruptive had been removed and the way was clear for the clever types to get good SAT results. Same tactic different discipline.

Of course Police forces have been accused of the same tactic as well in the past its just even the most hardened target driven senior rank in the Police wouldn't even think of trying it on with something like rape, well not for the last couple of decades or so since Thames Valleys little documentary.

This is CPS's chosen means for dealing with the poor Rape Conviction rate, not exactly honourable, fair, right or proper but it does manage down their oh so important targets.

30 May, 2008 13:11

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can the CPS ever work as an independant prosecutor on behalf of the public, when they also have targets. Its no joke when you look at all Government agencies, NHS, police, Teachers, etc... all expected to reach certain targets given to them, so of course, if they have targets to win a certain number of cases, they will weed out those cases that are less likely to succeed.

I have come across this problem time and again, and the one thing that sits in my mind is that the law of this country should allow the accused to be judged by his/her peers, be that 3 magistrates (or 1 stipe) or a jury of 12.

There is now of course that first hurdle, being judged by one who doesn't have to account for why they have advised "refuse charge", and who will be marked purely on his/her 'win' statistics.

They don't have to speak to the victim of an assualt to explain that whilst there were 3 co-oberative statements, there was no CCTV, so a refuse charge is given (true), or when looking at CCTV of a big fight involving 14 drunken youths, they refuse charge the 3 youths who were fighting, but report the two cops who turned up, to their PSU for getting stuck in and striking folk, who were try to split up the fight.(true) (fortunatly PSU looked at the CCTV and said "Seen worse, there's no problem with that.")


They also don't have to sit and listen to the victim of the rape, and hear the heart rendering descriptions of what has happened to them, only read or listen to the transcripts in a sterile environment. It does make me sad that we fail these people, and all down to targets and figures.

30 May, 2008 14:41

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry got carried away and the 4th paragraph didn't read right, so hopefully..

They don't have to speak to the victim of an assualt to explain that whilst there were 3 co-oberative statements, there was no CCTV, so a refuse charge is given (true), or when looking at CCTV of a big fight involving 14 drunken youths, they refuse charge the 3 youths who were fighting, but report the two cops who turned up, to their PSU for getting stuck in and striking folk, who were try to split up the fight.(true) (fortunatly PSU looked at the CCTV and said "Seen worse, there's no problem with that.")


Should actually read "they refuse charge 3 youths who were arrested from the group that were fighting"

And

"but reported the two cops who turned up; to their PSU, for getting stuck in and striking offenders, to try to split up the fight. (despite being outnumbered) (true) "

30 May, 2008 14:47

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This issue is further compounded by the number of false allegations of rape that are received. Normally after a boyfriend has found out about his girlfriends misbehaving the night before. It would be interesting to see how many rape complaints turn out to be false and malicious. If its a high percentage then this would obviously have a significant impact on how many cases get to court. Perhaps we should start prosecuting people for making false allegations. When I say false I mean false as opposed to not proven or not believed.

30 May, 2008 15:34

 
Blogger Jill said...

Its sad that in 2008 there is still the attitude of " she was asking for it" etc. Up until the point of penetration, a woman still has the right to say no. And until attitudes change - only a small percentage of women will ever even file charges.

30 May, 2008 16:54

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do think that we should either do away with anonymity for victims or reintroduce anonymity for suspects, because it is a living nightmare for an innocent man to be charged with rape - as it is for a female victim - and it does happen.
I would also like to see persistent false accusers sentenced to the time their alleged attacker would have received.
As a man, all I want is a level playing field - my anonymity is waived to allow other victims (there are none, don't worry!) to come forward, and I think the same should be true of the false accusers.
You're right that at the end of the day it often comes down to A vs B and who is the most credible; as you say, no way round that.
I do think that proven rapists should receive heavier sentences than they receive, also.

30 May, 2008 17:15

 
Anonymous Karen said...

I think the problem is, a lot of people live in a different world from the world of (most of) the raped and rapist.
Yes, I know it can happen to anyone, and anyone can be guilty, don't judge a book by its cover etc, but the fact is a lot of rape really is grubby - both parties are lowlife, the circumstances are squalid and the evidence very hard to sift through.
I absolutely do not think that rape is trivial, or that rapists should not be sentenced properly.
But in the underclass world of multiple partners per week, of permanent drunkennes and petty vinvictive jealousy, you are going to get a lot of nonsense rapes.
By nonsense, I mean you couldn't pick the bones out of it even if you were actually there - both as bad as each other.

30 May, 2008 17:20

 
Blogger PC Bloggs said...

"This issue is further compounded by the number of false allegations of rape that are received. Normally after a boyfriend has found out about his girlfriends misbehaving the night before."

This does happen, but it is unbelievably rare. It is even rarer for the victim to support a prosecution through to court - so rare that it grabs the headlines when it does. Most "false" allegations of rape are actually from very vulnerable, mentally ill people. The false allegation percentage is thought to be about 3%, the same as for any other crime.

Karen- while you are right, the problem is that people assume all rapes fall into that category as soon as they hear that the woman was drunk, or has had sex with a large number of men.

30 May, 2008 19:28

 
Blogger Emma said...

It's crap Ellie I know because I have been there and worst still still see the culprit every other week, no I didn't report it at the time because I went willingly with him to his house, enough said really, well done for highlighting it once again though..xx

30 May, 2008 19:35

 
Blogger Virtual Supply said...

Rape. Never a fun subject. But, one great at keeping many people employed doing very little. Maybe even doing nothing, but asking other people to do something, and then blaming the other people for not getting it right, then writing about it.


The beginning of the 21st Century has seen a major overhaul of the sexual offences legislation in England and Wales. Prior to this reform the law on sexual offences was based on legislation implemented in 1956, with some parts dating as far back as the 19th Century. It goes without saying that this legislation was grossly dated and unsuitable for the 21st Century. A number of important amendments had been made since the 1956 legislation, including the inclusion of marital rape and male rape in 1994. However, these piecemeal changes resulted in very confusing laws, to the extent that many different Acts had to be accessed in order to decipher where the law stood on any given matter. The Home Office acknowledged that this had led to a ‘patchwork quilt of provisions’ (Home Office, 2000, pg. iii). The previous law was also plagued by anomalies, inappropriate language4 and discrimination, some of which may have been construed as violating human rights legislation.


Keep the above in mind while you read the rest of this reply. It should be simple…


This headline in a neighbouring force attracted my attention.


Cried Rape Four Times.


The daughter of a church minister who made false allegations of rape against four separate men has been jailed for two years.

Abigail Gibson, 22, made the "vile" claims against a work colleague, an ex-boyfriend, a stranger and even her father, Ian, who is a respected minister at a young offenders' institute.


Did the victims feel comforted after reading this on offer from their very local police force:-

What to do if you are a victim of rape Sexual assault and sexual abuse are extremely serious crimes and is treated very seriously by the Force. Most reports that police receive involve an offender who is known to the victim as an acquaintance or a family member. Offences may be recent and sometimes they are historical but all are investigated with the same level of commitment by police and supporting organisations. If you have been a victim of this type of crime we will do everything possible to support you and bring the offender to justice, if that is what you want to do.


The above is a warm statement only borderline gibberish, the following paragraph exceeds the gibberish quotient and leaves readers in no doubt , some one doesn’t know, or care very much about the whole matter. Publish and be damned. http://www.cheshire.police.uk/showcontent.php?pageid=1057.


Mind you, there is no saying that another local force gets it any better, they can't even work out a six letter title…


Victims of benefit from rape agreement

(see http://www.staffordshire.police.uk/news/2007/07_jul/10_benefit.html) , but read on to find:-


The number of sexual offences in Sta**ordshire fell nine per cent in 2006/07 to 1,179 from 1,299 in 2005/06.


Sta**ordshire Police has over 300 Sexual Offence Investigator Trained officers who have specialist knowledge of handling rape cases. The force is also actively seeking to establish Sexual Assault Referral Centres which offer a range of specialist services to rape victims under one roof.


See, there is far less rape now than ever there was, and especially as we have trained so many officers, we know where to use our dwindling budget. Car crime is down as well, so we will train thirty new CSI officers in the art of identifying fragments of cowling removed from steering wheels.


But, a nearby large city, Girlchester has a solution and a result:


Greater Girlchester Police is committed to tackling rape and serious sexual crime by arresting and bringing offenders to justice along with supporting victims. This year, GGP introduced Talon to help reduce the number of serious sexual offences and increase detection and conviction rates.

Great! But shootings in Moss-side, kiddies drowning while PCSO’s look on and Serious car crime have to go on hold as half of GGP don’t talk to the other half of GGP and wouldn’t knowq what to do anyway.


Rape, sad though it is when it happens, is a crime that can be used as a weapon to inflict hurt on others, a crime where by a personal viewpoint can and will change as the victim thinks about it, and one that, if we are to be believed, is preventable for the most part, and detectable after the fact.


And a jolly good way of filling an afternoon in the office finding enough words to convince a clerk that a crime has been committed...

30 May, 2008 20:37

 
Anonymous Metcountymounty said...

Screw the insightful and incisive social commentarty.... just show us your tits!

30 May, 2008 22:33

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PCSO Bloggs has nothing to worry about!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7006383.stm

30 May, 2008 22:49

 
Blogger PC Bloggs said...

Oh dear. That picture honestly isn't me. Anyone who got the Mail on Sunday a few months back will have seen a REAL picture of me!

However did this get into the discussion of a serious subject...

31 May, 2008 00:13

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody mentions that the person accused of rape has also been threatened - prison is not fun.

31 May, 2008 03:45

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All sex outside a registered relationship should be criminalised and punishable by flogging and six months solitary confinement.

And the "receiving" party could have an absolute defence of lack of consent, with a resulting penalty of death by multiple cuts for the penetrator.

(Plus transfer of all the penetrator's financial assets to the "receiver".)

Such a law would initiate some very cautious behaviour.

31 May, 2008 08:34

 
Anonymous JuliaM said...

""This issue is further compounded by the number of false allegations of rape that are received. Normally after a boyfriend has found out about his girlfriends misbehaving the night before."

This does happen, but it is unbelievably rare."


Really...?

31 May, 2008 11:39

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

".., with intimidation or the situation used to control them rather than force..."

Weasel words.What exactly are you saying?

31 May, 2008 12:17

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When my ex partner used to rape me he didn't leave injuries because he didn't need to. He had absolute and complete socio-economic power over me and I knew he could be very violent. I'd just lie still and cry until it was over and he'd rarely have to hold me down or do anything that could cause injuries to me. Other times I'd freeze and again, there'd be no need for him to injure me.

Rapists attack vulnerable people. They attack people they have power over in some way. Being drunk and having to be in contact with your rapist in some way makes you vulnerable. The law and society need to accept this and work towards a resolution. So often you hear people victim blaming and repeating rape myths and Bloggsy's post shows how many myths are in the courts

With the not sobbing and not immediately reporting thing, have the blooming CPS not heard that numbness and shock are perfectly normal responses to a traumatic event? (See here and here)

Juliam you've posted a link to a case involving one woman. How does this one case disprove the OP's assertion that false claims are rare?

Sarah

31 May, 2008 19:35

 
Anonymous JuliaM said...

"Juliam you've posted a link to a case involving one woman. How does this one case disprove the OP's assertion that false claims are rare?"

Because it's not just 'one case'. That just happened to be the one I heard about while browwsing news reports a few minutes before I saw this topic...

Plus, not that this woman had done it before. A few days before. Yet still, she caused havoc and expense, while everyone ran around dealing with her claims, because 'women don't make it up'.

But they do...

31 May, 2008 20:41

 
Blogger PC Bloggs said...

er, juliam, I said "rare" not "unheard of".

31 May, 2008 20:45

 
Anonymous LD420 said...

Anonymous 19:35 I agree with your points, and my best friend responded in the same way to you in what sounds like a similar situation.

The court system has evidently failed us if even those involved with it would recommend to their friends that they don't bother reporting a rape. Like I do...

31 May, 2008 20:47

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've said it before and will do again...
We need to amend the law to allow disclosure of
(1) Previous sexual offence allegations made against the offender.
(2) Previous rape reports made by the victim.
Whilst a date rapist may get away with it once or twice (regrettable) - he should come unstuck and get his just desserts sometime.
The women who make a habit of reporting false allegations will be treated with the caution necessary.

31 May, 2008 22:01

 
Anonymous JuliaM said...

"er, juliam, I said "rare" not "unheard of"."

No. You actually said 'unbelievably rare'.

But it isn't. Is it...?

"We need to amend the law to allow disclosure of
(1) Previous sexual offence allegations made against the offender.
(2) Previous rape reports made by the victim."


Or, we could just go for anonymity for both parties. What would be so wrong with that?

31 May, 2008 22:36

 
Blogger blueknight said...

When I was at Police Training College, the tutor introduced the subject of sexual offences with words, Sexual assaults are hard to prove and equally hard to disprove.
This was the unenlightened 1970s but I think the adage still holds true.

31 May, 2008 23:27

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course rape laws were created when women were mostly chaste and sober.
times change.
Especially if you just want to adopt the Swedish view that men are so evil that they are naturally guilty - even if the woman is keen to sell sex.

01 June, 2008 01:42

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well if you have not sussed it, dear "JuliaM" is a MALE pretending to be a female.[But HE will of course deny it!] And of course dear "JuliaM" men NEVER make it up either, do they? They are all such sweet innocent darlings who never ever deceive or sexually abuse females, just because they are bigger and stronger.

No, not one man on this planet would ever do such a thing. Shame on us females for saying such things, especially when it's the truth. We really should know our places as slaves, servants and bed warmers, for the "gods" incarnated to walk this earth that are called men.

Perhaps "JuliaM" will be a girlie in his next life. Lets hope that HE doesn't get sexually abused or raped, and then accused of "making it up".
Incidentally, the "she's making it up" line is an old MO, now outdated and a good indication of a guilty abuser. The tide has turned and women no longer have to suffer the sexual abuse, which in the past was "just the way it is".

I read in the Daily Mail last week that the DWP have been using a lie detector during phone calls with claimants. They claim to have weeded out a number of bogus claimants with it.
So why cannot a lie detector be used in Rape cases, especially when the man says he is innocent and "she consented".

Also, as we are allegedly "equal" to men these days, what has the number of sexual partners a woman has had got to do with anything? Double male standards, again. It's deemed acceptable for men to behave like slags and sh*g for England, sowing their "wild oats". But according to their "rules", women who do have numerous sexual partners are treated like whores. Patriarchial nonsense, imposed by a hypocritical judiciary.

01 June, 2008 01:53

 
Anonymous JuliaM said...

"Well if you have not sussed it, dear "JuliaM" is a MALE pretending to be a female.[But HE will of course deny it!]"

Oh, FFS!! Of course, I'm not. But there's no convincing you, I suppose, as you are wired to argue what's in your head, as opposed to what's actually in front of you...

"they are all such sweet innocent darlings who never ever deceive or sexually abuse females, just because they are bigger and stronger."

Case in point! Where did I say that...? I didn't, because it would be ludicrous. But since you don't want to confront the truth that some women lie, and it isn't as uncommon as activists would have us believe, again you argue your old, tired talking points.

"Incidentally, the "she's making it up" line is an old MO, now outdated and a good indication of a guilty abuser."

Christ, let's hope you aren't ever in a position of authority...! You know full well there have been very high-profile cases that proved just that, not to mention the ones highlighted in this thread.

What's your guidance on witches, by the way? Float, guilty, sink, innocent, wasn't it...?

"So why cannot a lie detector be used in Rape cases, especially when the man says he is innocent and "she consented"."

You don't don't have the slightest clue how lie detectors actually work, do you? Go back to watching 'Star Trek', sweetie...

"Patriarchial nonsense, imposed by a hypocritical judiciary."

Radical feminist cant, expressed by a bitter and ignorant child.

01 June, 2008 05:35

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juliam you're arguing a strawman. Nobody has said that people NEVER pretend to have been raped. People are just saying that it's infrequent. I'd be interested to see rates of false rape reporting compared with false reporting of burglaries and other thefts.

When you pull up individual media reports remember that you're only showing what has hit the media. An individual case doesn't prove a generalisation because an anecdote is not data

Sarah

01 June, 2008 18:05

 
Anonymous JuliaM said...

"Juliam you're arguing a strawman. Nobody has said that people NEVER pretend to have been raped."

The phrase used was 'unbelievably rare' - it isn't, and that was what I pointed out. So I'm afraid I'm not 'arguing a strawman'.

Do you even know what that term means...?

"When you pull up individual media reports remember that you're only showing what has hit the media."

Yes. And that's all I was planning to show with that report. It simply struck me that I'd seen it not more than 5/6 site visits before seeing this blog.

There are other famous cases of false reporting out there, as has been noted by other commenters.

"An individual case doesn't prove a generalisation because an anecdote is not data.

The phrase you were grasping for there was 'the plural of anecdote is not data'.

And I didn't say it was...

Like with 'anon', I'd prefer to argue what I'd claimed, rather than what you'd like to think I'd claimed.

01 June, 2008 18:14

 
Blogger PC Bloggs said...

"I'd be interested to see rates of false rape reporting compared with false reporting of burglaries and other thefts."

Since you ask - it's estimated at 3% for all offences, including rape. As police officers, we do tend to be sceptical of ALL reports of any offence, especially robbery, in my experience. However with rape, we need to be that bit more careful because if we are wrong we are causing more harm.

JuliaM - please calm down and stop responding to every little word spoken. No one ever said that no one makes up allegations of all kinds, including rape, and you are likely to get more and more extreme reactions with the tone of your posts - at which stage I will just delete the lot. Which would be a shame, because this subject normally provokes more thoughtful discussion.

01 June, 2008 22:32

 
Anonymous JuliaM said...

"JuliaM - please calm down and stop responding to every little word spoken."

Umm, this is a comment thread. A chain of responses is the raison de etre of a blog, no...?

And as for 'calm down', I see no caps, or wild slurs, or hysteria in my responses. Do you?

I do see some rather strange comments along the lines that I'm not female, I'm really a man arguing for the 'patriarchy', etc, but that t'Interweb for you. Lots of odd people.

"..you are likely to get more and more extreme reactions with the tone of your posts.."

I see nothing wrong with the tone of my posts (as above), but if you do, then as the blog owner, you are, of course, at liberty to delete anything you see fit.

"..this subject normally provokes more thoughtful discussion."

In my experience, it doesn't. Check out any 'Comment is Free' thread on the subject What you usually get is the likes of 'anon' and 'sarah' fiercely defending what they percieve as their 'corner' in the teeth of any evidence that false reports are made.

01 June, 2008 22:43

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The response of JuliaM was just sooooo typically MALE, full of snipes and put downs to comments about "patriarchial nonsense inposed by a hypocritical judiciary". Women know this to be true and would not respond like "JuliaM" did.

He also didn't read what I actually wrote about the DWP claiming to have weeded out some bogus claimants by using a lie detector on them [without their knowledge] during phone calls. So either the DWP or the Daily Mail are making that up, or technology has improved. Therefore raising the question of why cannot that be used in Rape cases, was in fact quite reasonable, "sweetie".

02 June, 2008 00:27

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear oh dear, some sulking "male" Guardian reader and /or a holder of some kind liberal arts degree (what kind of blo*dy name is "Juliam" anyway?) ..

... and a couple of soi disant feminists who are practically caricatures of themselves.

That society is rich enough to afford parasites like these, always amazes me.

02 June, 2008 01:10

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oooohh "JuliaM", I really did rattle your chain. I'll tell you what I am "wired for". Detecting abusive males, especially in positions of authority, which you are. No doubt if we still lived in the dark ages I would be dunked in the village pond for having the "gift" of insight and intuition. Me and a large number of the police force who use "gut instinct", or coppers nose. They often use psychics you know, but don't often admit to it. So there you have it Barry. ;0)

02 June, 2008 01:20

 
Anonymous Oi said...

They often use psychics you know, but don't often admit to it.

Oh, Dear God!!!!

02 June, 2008 03:59

 
Anonymous JuliaM said...

"The response of JuliaM was just sooooo typically MALE, full of snipes and put downs..."

Lol! Yes, that's typically male. Women never do that..... ;)

"So either the DWP or the Daily Mail are making that up, or technology has improved."

No, they aren't making it up. The new technology picks up stressors in voice patterns when they are telling untruths. It would be totally useless in a general interview under caution situation, where the normal stressors would be high anyway, for both parties.

"what kind of blo*dy name is "Juliam" anyway?"

It's my Christian name, followed by my middle initial, actually.

But hey, I guess there are lots of 'men' called Julia in the world inside your head.

"I'll tell you what I am "wired for". Detecting abusive males, especially in positions of authority..."

I bet you see a lot of them. In fact, I bet you see them everywhere....

"Me and a large number of the police force who use "gut instinct", or coppers nose. They often use psychics you know, but don't often admit to it."

I echo 'oi's' comment. Oh. Dear. God!

Get help. Seriously.

02 June, 2008 08:12

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bloggsy, not to disagree with you, because I don't know, but how can you know how unbelievably rare it is for women to make up rape allegations? You are, presumably, going on gut instinct... the same gut instinct that will have other officers saying a given 'rape' is a load of nonsense?

02 June, 2008 09:33

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Careful JuliaM or she might make "allegations" about you ......

02 June, 2008 09:34

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello,

I sent in the article (my name is Jon, I just prefer not to keep my comments on record for all eternity with Google). That was a very interesting post and an some interesting commentary. I apologize if I offended anyone. I just wanted to offer a few thoughts, some of which prompted me to send in the article:

Americans have a rather romantic view of British policing. After all, we have a joke here in which we say heaven is British police, German mechanics, French cooks, Italian lovers, and Swiss bureaucrats. (Hell is German police, British cooks, French mechanics, Swiss lovers, and Italian bureaucrats.) I suspect someone picked up that rather unfortunate statistic and thought, "Crikes! If I expose the British police system as slightly less than it's romantic ideal, I can win a journalism award."

I liked the quote by the judge sentencing the rape victim because he reminded me so much of the judges who have made (W)PC Bloggs' lists.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts, I always enjoy reading them.

02 June, 2008 18:56

 
Anonymous Emma said...

Home Office research (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hors237.pdf)
shows that there are around 45,000 rapes in the UK each year. About 11,000 of these are reported to the police

There are around 600 convictions.

It is estimated that around 3% of allegations to the police are false - that's 330 false allegations per year.

That means that over 44,000 rapes go unpunished every single year.

Which is the greater outrage - 330 people falseley accused, or 44,000 rape victims not seeing justice done?

06 June, 2008 12:07

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Without a shadow of doubt the greater outrage is the 44,000 rape victims who do not see any justice. I am but ONE, and that is despite having reported it. I did not even get a crime number. I asked to be dealt with by a senior female officer and that was denied me. An arrogant and insensitive male PC phoned me and was DISMISSIVE of what had happened to me, which is a great deal more than one act of rape against me. This system STINKS, and with the full knowledge and blessing of the government. SHAME ON THEM.
Ve

07 June, 2008 01:31

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked for the CPS for many years particularly in the Crown Court and saw many rape cases all the way through. In that time I did see several that I and the jury were convinced the complainant had made up. Or her behaviour was such (sending Valentines cards to her rapist in prison!)that the whole case was undermined.
I also saw a lot of cases in which the jury acquited on perfectly good evidence -really strong cases. In every single case despite everything we could do to protect them the victims went through hell in the witness box.
The test we are meant to apply is not 50/50 chance of a conviction but is there a reasonable prospect of a conviction.
In most rape cases the answer is "no" because juries are very reluctant to convict of rape -particularly where the victim is drunk or changed her mind at the last minute. I'm not saying this is right it's just fact.(Because rape is so serious it always has to be tried by a jury).
We see the effect on the victim of not being believed by the jury -it is truly horrible and I have heard of suicides.

10 June, 2008 18:18

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know of a case where the female accused a relative [2nd cousin] of having sex with her when she was 13 years old. She had a boyfriend at the time and the family were very concerned about her moral welfare. The male, who was 17 yrs at the time was tasked with "babysitting" her to make sure she didn't have her boyfriend in the house whilst the grandmother was out for the evening. She did however have a crush on her male 2nd cousin, and years later when they were in their 20's, they did have a brief encounter of the passionate kind. He then got married and years later because he spurned her advances, she made allegations to police, social services, the world and his wife, that he had "seduced" her when she was 13. She also made some very vindictive allegations against other members of the family. She wanted her revenge because she felt hurt and rejected. She EVEN went on TV to have a rant. None of it ever came to prosecution, never mind to court, because it was complete rubbish and twisted facts. However, mud sticks and the slur against some members of the family caused considerable distress. Once people within various agencies have heard a vindictive rant against others, it affects their perception of those people, and ultimately how they are dealt with by the professionals, especially within Health and Social Care. Nobody actually says anything to those individuals faces, but the matter does get discussed behind their backs. That creates an undermining of the relationship between professional and the falsly accused person, which places them under strain. Which ever way you look at it, be it a female being vindictive to cause pain, or a rapist saying "she's lying", it is a very distressing situation to be in and deal with.

One poster stated that " they were as bad as each other, and low lifes". That's a bit harsh upon the female who said NO and was ignored. A female who experiences a male forcing himself upon her, or indeed a male experiencing that, is most certainly not a "low life". If that is the attitude of some female police officers, God help this country.

12 June, 2008 00:11

 
Blogger PC Bloggs said...

Veritas, I've deleted your post because of the graphic language - which was in danger of sounding like you were trying to titillate the reader instead of shock... if you want to re-post your conclusions without the graphic stuff, please feel free.

25 June, 2008 10:23

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My post was written from the heart and from memory, stating the facts that the police "service" do not like to admit to. There was no intention, or hidden motive to shock or "titilate". The motive was to tell what happened to me because it has been COVERED UP.

Veritas

26 June, 2008 01:03

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

P.S. Ellie, was not your post showing a photo of a semi naked female holding a "50" sign "TITilation"?

My story was the truth, [still being ignored by police] and according to my local plod, when I tried to go through the correct channels - NO CRIME. That's because it was not committed by a member of the public, but cops, against myself as a kid special.
Disappointed that you [being a female] chose to cover it up as well.

Veritas. Special Constabulary

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