Words will never hurt me.
What sentence do we anticipate for this mob, who caused a man a fatal heart attack by pelting him with objects the size of bricks? The offenders are aged 12-14.A day doesn't pass when we don't hear about how our prisons are full and sentences should be shorter. I therefore propose a 2 month Community Order on the kids.
Perhaps you think I'm being sarcastic. Well, Community Orders are no laughing matter. If handed out one of these draconian restraints by a court, the miscreant may have to attend MEETINGS with a youth worker. Worse still, he/she may have to APOLOGISE to the victim or their family! If the offender doesn't comply with the terms of the Order, the court could even go so far as to TELL HIM OFF!!
Let's hope judges can be encouraged to make fuller use of these wonderful deterrents, but they should only be used on the truly unrepentent, who can never be reformed and who will continue to offend until the day they bottle the wrong person outside a nightclub. For those kids who are sorry for killing an old man, a police reprimand might be more appropriate.
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posted by PC Bloggs at 16:54
18 Comments:
How about telling the victim's family exactly where these punks live/hang out. Provide them with pictures and then off handedly let them know that due to short staffing, there probably won't be any police presence in that area for a few days.
And let nature take it course.
31 July, 2007 17:54
Bring back the birch...
31 July, 2007 19:00
Bring back deportation.
31 July, 2007 22:59
Matt - where to?
TBL - only the birch?
PD - Almost right. A hammer, some nails, bit of rope, some timber,and, whoop-ee-do, an instant lynch kit. Ought to work! (Me? I'm all for suspended sentences for these b*st*rds - suspended at the end of a rope! )
31 July, 2007 23:41
You are being far too harsh. There lads deserve only a short period of incarceration, perhaps only a day or two. In a very small, airtight, cell.
01 August, 2007 08:27
I agree with steve, small compressed airtight cell, perhaps evn buried a few feet under ground. And then to actually send a message how about seizing the assets of everyone one in each of their families, and then selling them off to the highest bidder, the proceeds of which go to the victims family.
01 August, 2007 10:11
revenge is not a sentencing objective -for very good reasons, most of which can be discerned from the brainless lynch mob comments above.
01 August, 2007 14:20
anon 14:20
revenge isn't part of the sentencing procedure, you're right.
at the moment.
however, i predict it's going to come back into fashion once people finally cotton on that people who think like you have been holding sway for rather too long and THAT BEING NICE TO CRIMINALS DOESN'T WORK.
01 August, 2007 14:27
anon 1402, you either work for the Dark Side, or you haven't met any proper criminals.
There are people who would rather happily stamp on your head until you couldn't move, then nick your keys, screw your house for valuables and drink any alcohol you had, then steal your car while pissed and drive it into a bus queue of seven year olds.
And you know what? they wouldn't give a flying f**k because there is no deterrent. All the offences described above, when combined if charged with each, would attract no more than 15 years. If that.
Mainly because people like you have been apologising for them for the past 50 years.
01 August, 2007 16:10
don't forget that the 15 would be reduced by good behaviour (ie not absolutely appalling behaviour) while inside, metcountymounty.
i really do wish that people like anon 14.20 actually became closely and regularly acquainted with some of these people. i don't mean once being mugged for your mobile in the street, which just gives you something to talk about at the next dinner party you go to, anon.
i mean living in sheer, naked terror, every day of your life, on some of our weorse housing estates. i mean not being able to leave your own house because of fear of attack, i mean having dogshit put through your letterbox, your kids threatened and assaulted, your husband being beaten up... a bit of revenge goes down very nicely once you've suffered something for which vengeance is called.
having said that, i personally wouldn't want revenge - i just want the politicians and the police to get a f***ing grip, because they could if they wanted to. but like you... they (the politicians) never actually really suffer any crime, do they?
01 August, 2007 16:57
Justice is the revenge of the community, a punishment for the deeds that have offended the community. This is a simple premise that dates back at least a very long time. We have been cuaght up in the change from when most laws were mostly a class thing to help separate the haves and upper classes from the have nots and the lower classes. Society, through those we call 'politicians' have continued to make the laws of the land at the same time claiming to be the publicly elected authority in the position to do just this. Now for the bit that should be in place. The decisions made on laws, sentencing and punishment should be made on behalf of the people but the people, generally, only talk the talk and do not actively lobby their MP's or other counclil members to get a good weight of public opinion behind what most find sensible, just and of a valuable punishment or deterrent value. Our politicians seem only focussed on following the party line or opposing the opposition, whatever their stance on any subject. Our politicians are left to talk all sorts of gobbledeegook about issues without tackling some of the problems. Also parental responsibility seems to have fallen by the wayside for an ever increasing number who allow their offspring to violate public decency and calm in worse ways than they themselves did when they were of similar youthful years. In a high number of cases you will find that offspring of troublemakers and criminals become the next generation of troublemakers and criminals. We appear to finding ever increasing ways of failing to make them accountable and at the same time leaving them unpunished, untouchable and further unaccountable. In other words, its always someone elses fault.
01 August, 2007 21:51
Ok, I'll come clean - I was Anon 23:41. just signed up to make my mark!
Agree with WEB (last post), and MCM is also close to the mark - but we come from a similar pedigree, I guess. Just a pity that so many don't see the sharp end, and think that they are civilised and superior 'cos they "appear" to turn the other cheek - (when they haven't even had the 1st one slapped) - lefties !
01 August, 2007 22:45
Hi, lefty anon here again. I'm not a professional, i grew up on a council estate and i have been mugged. Sure the kids deserve to be punished - for throwing things at people - being kids and showing poor judgement - being immature. Life/Death sentences? Where is your sense of proportion?
02 August, 2007 16:33
Anon 1633, when you grew up there were no where near as many 'feral' children as there are now, mainly because people who grew up in the 70s and 80's were the first to reap the reward of parents who grew up in the 60's and were all about liberalism and letting everyone be free of oppression and letting them 'find themselves'
so those kids grew up with no discipline and now have spawn and grandspawn of their own. After 3-4 generations of no discipline what so ever there are children who have no respect for anyone else and are active criminals and antisocial from when they can walk and speak. Yes, the kids were 11 - 14, but for most of them they would have had 10 years of being complete and utter little fuckers with no action taken against them at all. And now they have killed someone, who could very easily have been your dad/uncle playing with one of your kids.
That is why we need to come down on them, because they know nothing of deterrent or punishment or consequences.
02 August, 2007 17:00
Simplistic chap aren't you Metcountymounty?
Still too gutless to stand up at work and protest there about policy though aren't you?
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