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Sunday, February 04, 2007

Should I Arrest?

Last week a Blandmore resident watched two youths robbing a young kid of his mobile phone. He dialled 999 and confronted the youths, asking the call-taker, "Can I use force to detain them?" The call-taker said, "No. It would be an assault and illegal." Oh dear.

Next week's Panorama talks about whether you should fight back if you are the victim of crime, but more usually the question is whether to get involved in other people's crimes, by trying to prevent it or capture the offender. Here is a checklist for whether or not to make the "citizen's" arrest:
  • Can you pronounce the word "indictable"?
  • Do you know what the word "indictable" means?
  • Do you know what the word "offence" means?
  • Can you put the two together and understand it?
  • Can you make a list of "indictable offences"?
  • Can you remember all of this when you are on the stand in court?
If the answer to any of the above is "yes", well done, you are ahead of most police officers and can now consider issues of your own personal safety and whether, when all is said and done, you really give a crap. If you do not, try Tony McNulty's suggestion of "jumping up and down". That will ensure that the baddie turns his attention away from his victim and onto you.

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Anonymous Sergeant Says said...

I clicked on the Tony McNumpty link, saw he was a home office minister, realised he would not have a clue what he was talking about, and ignored it all.

04 February, 2007 10:07

Blogger Noddy said...

Great post Bloggshe.

2 points.

Firstly, I know we lost the Rugby, but yet again the northern bit of the UK is ignored again. Up here our mops CAN arrest crims for everything other than Breach of the Peace. No need to worry about indictable offences, which by the way would be a whole different set of crimes up here too. Just thought I'd keep the Scots readers properly informed of their rights to huckle the little blighters.

Secondly, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Isn't it unbelievably scary that that 'man' is in charge of anything more than the choice of whether to get up in the morning and go out of his front door or not.

Society as a whole - or as my force likes to moniker it these days....Total Community Policing - needs to get a collective grip of the way we can expect to live in a decent society and grasp it back from 'cowards' like McNumpty. If he wants us to 'fight' all his little battles then he needs to give us the tools and resources to come to his rescue. Otherwise he can just continue to jump up and down in a hissy fit instead.

As someone else has said before .... you couldn't make this up.

04 February, 2007 11:09

Blogger Noddy said...

Well I'll be bloggered!

It was such a good post my comments got triplicated. There must be a bureaucrat about.

04 February, 2007 11:44

Anonymous Anonymous said...

'cowards' like McNumpty Precisely, that's why there is no longer any respect in society as no politician gives any respect to the real human beings.

When we get politicians who haven't got their noses in the trough and honestly work for the community, then may be, just may be, the tide can be turned to restore this country to a place worth living in.

04 February, 2007 18:16

Blogger busybizzie said...

I think jumping up and down is an excellent crime fighting tool and can't wait for the cascade training. May I suggest though, if you want to distract a robber, you'd be better off shouting "Ooh look! Free Berghaus!"

04 February, 2007 19:36

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oooh! What if a member of the public should do themselves an injury whilst jumping up and down?

Who would be liable for that?

What a sodding coward Mr McNumpty sounds! He would watch an old lady getting battered and DO NOTHING?

Is this for real? Is his name really real?

I am going to chuck away my baton, captor and cuffs - and sod the damage to my knees whilst fighting crime!

04 February, 2007 20:44

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ooops! Whatever gave me the idea his name was really that? Blonde moment I guess ............ hmmmm must get hair dyed blonde in that case ............ ohmigod now I have probably insulted blondes somewhere - SORRY!

04 February, 2007 20:47

Anonymous Jabbadaw said...

I thought WE had won the rugby after convincingly beating the Welsh!

Isn't it crazy when you have people in the station who just don't know the law and giving out advice?

Our OCU commander is one of them, after recently advising the head of the community safety unit that the police had no power in a certain area wheras we do and indeed one that carried a power of arrest.

04 February, 2007 20:47

Blogger Big Fella in Blue said...

You think some of our bosses are numpties because of some of the schemes they come up with wait until the government put civvies in their places, ones who have no idea about policing but do have a business degree!! No offence against persons with degrees it was just a point.

I dont know how long ministers are going to be able to continually F***up this once great nation of ours before there is an uprising by the general taxpaying public. This will happen when there is no office of constable anymore because of policing on the cheap and no one left to sort it out.

04 February, 2007 22:37

Blogger Noddy said...

Panorama was a hoot tonight - please let Paxman at McNumpty next time!

05 February, 2007 22:52

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