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Sunday, February 14, 2010

Am I being racially HARASSED?

It appears that the woeful tale of Ali Dizaei has brought out the voices in all our heads. As a police officer, a good proportion of my time is spent trying to ascertain whether the bizarre set of circumstances being related to me by a caller is the concoction of a disturbed mind, or merely the result of another Blandmore marriage.

Most people's reality is somewhere in-between. If you find yourself constantly being stop-searched, frequently arrested (invariably in a violent and aggressive manner), are deprived of your rights to phone-calls, solicitors, medical attention or clothing, are woken by police throughout the night, get fitted up for things you haven't done and repeatedly kept in custody after charge, before picking up the phone to The Daily Mail to complain of police discrimination, please consider the following questions:
  1. Do you wear weather-inappropriate clothing and hang around burglary hotspots on dark nights?
  2. Do you often find weapons/tools lying around on the ground and conceal them within layers of your clothing for no reason?
  3. Do you tend to run/hide when you see police officers coming?
  4. When having the circumstances of your search explained to you, do you tend to shout 'This is harassment, man' repeatedly at the top of your voice so you are unable to hear anything else?
  5. Do you continue to do the same when brought in front of the custody sergeant?
  6. Do you answer 'yes' to all the questions about your health and welfare, including intention to commit suicide, contagious diseases and medication?
  7. Do you while away the boring hours in custody head-butting the walls and trying to form a noose out of items of soft clothing?
  8. Do you demand the doctor, then refuse to come out of your cell to see him/her? Do you then wait until the doctor has just left custody before stating that you will now see him?
  9. Do you refuse to be interviewed, or threaten to carve up the first police officer to open your cell door?
  10. Whilst in custody, do you share your thoughts on retribution against members of your family?
  11. Do you regularly oversleep on the morning of court/bail?
If you answered yes to any of the above, I recommend an NPIA course on self-awareness ("How does MY behaviour influence the behaviour of those AROUND me?"), before you reconsider the question of police harassment.

If the answer is genuinely no, apply the same questionnaire to your significant other, parent or sibling.

In reality, the bulk of people who get badgered and harassed by the police are usually doing something to encourage it. The trouble is, you only need one or two examples of where they aren't to set the public opinion of such cases.

Ali Dizaei first united the public in support of the supposed corruption of his force. Now his conviction has sealed that opinion, perhaps for good.

How do we win back the support of society, without ceasing our relentless pressure on those who commit crimes against it?

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Blogger Metcountymounty said...

Annoyingly every time we get a story along the lines of 'PC Shiny Buttons' giving people a littering ticket for dropping a tenner, or some tool in SMT tasking officers to go into peoples houses at night to tell them they could have been burgled, or some twat from the council demanding a safer neighbourhood PC stand on the sea front with a speed gun to collar cyclists, then we're screwed. It doesn't matter where in the UK, or which force, or however well intentioned, in today's media hostile world even one stupid story like that affects every single on of us out on the street. And even if there are ten bad stories every single day, the fact that there will be ten thousand incidents across the country that go well, won't make a damn bit of difference.

14 February, 2010 14:14

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What irritates me is inverted racism, as in police targeting people because they are not a minority group so as to show the officers are not racist.

Some years back, I was passing through Waterloo Station when two police officers stopped me. They told me they wanted to search me as there had been a robbery in the area and I matched the description of the suspect, being male and carrying a bag.

I was carrying extremely sensitive legal documents in a locked briefcase for which I did not have the keys. So I politely asked exactly how I matched the description, given that what the officers said to me matched at least 40% of people present on the concourse.

The two officers started to get annoyed, accused me of being obstructive and wanted my name and address etc, but I politely persisted in asking exactly how closely I matched the description.

A sergeant came over to ask what the problem was, so I asked him how closely I matched the description. He replied that the suspect had been described as black, wearing a silver puffer jacket over jeans, and carrying a rucksack.

I'm white (but not British). I was wearing a suit with an overcoat, and was carrying a briefcase.

I asked how they could justify stopping and searching me, given that I did not match the profile of the suspect.

One of the first two officers started to insist that as a male carrying a bag I DID fit the description, but the sergeant said, "Look, if we only target black men for stop and search then we can be accused of stopping someone just because of their race. So we have to target stops ethnically proportionately."

I told him I did not believe that was a good reason for stopping and searching me, especially as the detailed description of the robbery suspect clearly didn't match my description, even if I was a male with a bag.

The more obstreperous of the two constables was pushing for me to be forcibly searched and detained. But I could see the sergeant was pondering just who I was, what I might know and how much hassle could be involved.

He finally told me to move on, but in future to bear in mind that if I did match the profile of a suspect in an area where a crime I had been committed then I would be searched. I replied that I didn't have a problem with that, provided I really did match the description.

As I walked away, I could hear the stroppy constable arguing with the sergeant for "letting that prat go".

I'm usually extremely pro-police, but not when it comes to idiotic practices like that. I was targeted because I was white so the officers could show they weren't racists targeting black men—even though the suspect was a black man.

It's even more idiotic when you consider that while the officers were stopping white males with bags they were distracted from what should have been their real task—looking for a black male in a silver jacket.

And if left me wondering just how the officers balanced their stops. If they'd stopped a black male carrying a bag, how many white males did they then have to stop to balance the books? Did they have to factor in a number of Asian men as well? And if they were only stopping men, wouldn't that be discriminatory? Shouldn't they be stopping a roughly equal number of women?

Bending over backwards like this to create a false perception of proportionality and fairness is what allowed Dizaei to get where he did and escape sanction for the numerous disciplinary breaches that he committed and even conceded. I've come across a fair few scum who've worked in exactly the same way and it's been my occasional pleasure to take down a few of them.

So it irks me enormously when police officers so easily fall prey to mendacious political correctness and, without genuine cause, target the average citizen going about their lawful business to show a false fairness.

14 February, 2010 18:05

Blogger Big Fella in Blue said...

Anon, I work to the FM rules (F*&k Me)if I see someone or a vehicle and they look shifty making me look twice at them they get turned over. I dont care what race, colour, creed sex people are I will use what powers I have to prevent and detect crime which I am paid to do.
I hope you keep to being pro police, I admit there are some officers that shouldnt be in the job and they eventually get sacked or asked to resign or in the main story's case get his dues (hello HMP). This bloke has set the police back years and has wielded the shitty stick and stuck us all with it.

Bloggs, sorry Ive binned my old posts including my first review when your book only just came out, I will be reading your book again soon and will add another review. Good to see you are still going.

14 February, 2010 20:42

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking as a member of the public, I have to say that his arrest and trial has done nothing to make me anti-police. He always was a self-serving idiot and long experience has taught me that the louder people shout, generally, the more they have to hide. I don't judge any policemen or women by his nefarious example - he's just a corrupt shit and they always take some time to root out and put away. I haven't come across anyone who does judge in this way (maybe I'm just too middle class lol!). Go on doing the excellent job that you are doing under such difficult circumstances, you have the support of most of the populaton, even if it is not the most voluble percentage.

14 February, 2010 22:06

Anonymous Shijuro said...

you can please some of the people some of the time- but not all of the people all of the time...

14 February, 2010 22:21

Anonymous Ambulance Amateur said...

Dizai and his dishonesty has harmed the police in only one way. Why wasn't the scrote nicked sooner?

The political correctness since the Steven Lawrence report has got to monstrous proportions.

I'm an anti-racist. I hate to see people dismissed as no good simply on grounds of race. I take as I find.

However, reverse racism is still racism. You can't make up for decades of wrong one way by having decades of wrong the other way. We must put the racism of the past behind us, with an apology (that HAS been forthcoming) and leave it at that. Let's start anew.

If anyone, police officer or MOP, is suspected of a crime, then there should be a full investigation.

If police have a description of an alledged wrongdoer, then stop people who match the description. If the blagger has been seen to be white, should police stop black people? Don't be so damn silly.

My "gaydar" is cr*p. That's because I am not gay and don't give a stuff if anyone else is. My perception of race is a little more developed, as it can be triggered by visual signals, but it makes no difference.

A good bloke or woman is good irrespective of race. The same applies to the bad b*ggers.

The idea of judging people because of race, positive or negative, can have no place in British society.

14 February, 2010 23:12

Anonymous MOPHead said...

I can happily answer no to all those questions.

Unfortunately like most people in this country I have no confidence in the police force not to assault, abuse, and harass me anyway.

If you look at the peelian principles I think most members of the public would be hard pressed to point to a single one that the police in the UK conform too.

Until the police as a whole can get back to these basic values they will remain a ridiculed and despised farce.

15 February, 2010 00:33

Blogger Annie said...

So answering "yes" to any of these questions does not only make arguably acceptable things like police suspicion and arrest acceptable, it also makes things like the police denying your rights to medical attention and humane treatment acceptable? Seriously?

15 February, 2010 00:56

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Truth is often far stranger than fiction Bloggsy, and usually a lot more bizarre. The news of the fitting up of Ali Dizaei, and that he has been unjustly sent to prison; due to the persistent and underhanded actions of some in his force, who have ulterior motives, and a lot to hide.....Has NOT 'brought out the voices in my head'. I don't hear any!

But it has prompted RECALL of Intelligence records about this matter. You state that Ali Dizaei first united the public regarding the corruption in the Met. Surely you are not so niave as to believe that those corrupted officers would let him do that without some sort of underhanded fight back?

Ali Dizaei was brave to have taken a stand against them, and now he is a victim of the very corruption he tried to thwart. OH DEAR.....
He's not the first to suffer from manipulations and false charges to ruin his reputation. It's an old M.O of the corrupt in high places, used to protect themselves from brave souls like Ali Dizaei.

The public might have more confidence in the police if those in high places didn't get away with serious crimes, lies and cover ups. The public are not stupid, even if the government think that they are. Word gets out and people know that NOBODY challenges those in high ranks, except the press, and they sometimes get it wrong. Or cannot print what they know, without hard evidence, which is difficult to obtain, because victims are too frightened to speak out. And even then, it is the same old story of a MOP against a man [or men] in a powerful position/s, threatening, pulling rank and 'favours', to silence an already terrified victim and their family. Same old crap for 50+ yrs.

What's the solution? Better witness protection and perhaps getting rid of the old notion of sweeping scandals under the carpet, when it involves high ranking officers involved in SERIOUS CRIMES, because the government claims that public knowledge of that would undermine the confidence in the police.
That's nonsense, especially when the public KNOW that the serious crimes have been committed, and that nothing has been done.

Minority Report Officer

15 February, 2010 03:59

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15 February, 2010 06:45

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good piece Sgt. Bloggs.

Unfortunately, too many MOPs have had experiences like Anon 18:05. We know that there are good eggs like you, Gadget & so on, but the different behaviour of too many of your colleagues is what we're faced with in real life. And these morons are supported by the PC, protocol riddled, clip-board carrying berks that you work for.

There are hundreds of people in Westminster who want us to trust them, despite their fraudulent antics and despicable behaviour. Solve that one & you have the answer - it's the same problem.

Good luck,


15 February, 2010 09:22

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Annie I think you missed the point.

15 February, 2010 09:51

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking as another member of the public, I also have to say that his arrest and trial has done nothing to make me anti-police.

From reading various police blogs I have come to the conclusion that any police officer over the rank of inspector is almost certainly a raving lunatic and danger to society, so the more you lock up the better.

15 February, 2010 16:38

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have only once been stopped by Police. It was about 2.15am on a country road. 60mph limit, road not really suitable for that speed so I was travelling at about 50mph. I was travelling to collect my daughter-in-law from work (2.30am finish). A traffic car caught up with me and gave me the blue lights. I signalled and pulled in and stopped. Name and addess requested and reason for being there. Information given and on my way in no more than 3 minutes. Nothing to hide. Nothing to argue about. My car, all documents up to date. I didn't know them and I don't believe they knew me. I imagine that I got the same treatment others would receive so if others have a problem with being stopped, they must bring problems on themselves.

15 February, 2010 17:01

Anonymous Steve D. said...

Anon 17.01 - If only all MOPS were as sensible and understanding. I would do many stops like you describe in a shift, especially on nights, and nine out of ten would be over in a minute. In fact, most of those stopped were happy in the knowledge that the Police were out there doing their job. The other one out of ten was generally a criminal up to no good and the stop took longer, usually ending up with an arrest or a very good piece of intelligence.

Of course, if the previous stops fail to cooperate, we'd never get round to the tenth productive stop and the public as a whole would lose out. The public therefore have a duty to help us perform our jobs by cooperating, for the good of society as a whole.

15 February, 2010 18:08

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indeed Steve!

I wish Minority Report would stop shouting in posts (caps use) - makes my eyes go funny and nearly impossible to decipher the text without reading several times through!

Also the intermittent caps use seems a bit, well, vehement to be honest. Undermines the potential validity of the argument, as it were.

15 February, 2010 20:23

Anonymous Cabbage said...

Steve, on the other hand, if I were randomly stopped by cops without any suspicion of wrongdoing and asked a bunch of personal questions that the cops then intended to record my answers to, I wouldn't answer them unless I was legally required to do so. It's not that I have an issue with the cops, you understand, it's that I don't like the idea of the government having any more information about me on record than I can help.

15 February, 2010 23:38

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @20.23 15th Feb.

What nonsense you write, really.
Other posters regularly use capitals in their comments, to emphasise something. It isn't 'shouting', it is creative expression, often used by writers.

Methinks that your comment is more of a snidey snipe at myself, because you don't like the 'message'....... Anon, you are probably someone from the government being sly and subtle in an attempt to undermine the truth teller. It's not only very frustrating when government smear good people who 'shout' about corruption, it's downright offensive and dangerous for the rest of society.

I see in the Sunday Mail, that the one who SHAFTED Ali Dizaei, has told his tale of spin and intends to flee the country, no doubt having been PAID TO FIT UP a policeman. Very convenient.

Minority Report Officer

16 February, 2010 01:36

Blogger Annie said...

Anon @ Feb 15, 9:51-
Yeah, maybe. Maybe not. I get that people can scream a lot about racial discrimination without realising that sometimes, bad things happen to you for reasons OTHER than your race. I get that a lot of pig-headed people will act horrifically, then whine when the logical and fair results of their actions catch up with them.

But statements like "If you find yourself constantly being stop-searched, frequently arrested (invariably in a violent and aggressive manner), are deprived of your rights to phone-calls, solicitors, medical attention or clothing, are woken by police throughout the night, get fitted up for things you haven't done and repeatedly kept in custody after charge, before picking up the phone to The Daily Mail to complain of police discrimination, please consider the following questions" suggest to me that Pc Bloggs thinks these are an appropriate response to a suspects' idiotic actions.
I am always interested to read about the idiotic paperwork, technicalities and unnecessary and timewasting rules that get in the way of getting the job done. The quote above seems to suggest to me that some people think of things like harrassing a suspect and intentionally witholding certain services, falls into that category. ("If only people would stop bitching about us withholding phone calls and constantly wheedling people, and just let us get the job done!") That rubs me the wrong way.

16 February, 2010 05:56

Blogger jerym said...

You still dont get it Annie

16 February, 2010 12:30

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think unfortunately that the combination of Bloggs' sarcasm and the use of insider police humour might have left you a bit confused.
There is no suggestion that we harass suspects and intentionally withold services and rights.
Rather the post provides answers to the most common allegations that persistent offenders constantly shout (often all night) whilst in custody and certainly to all their mates when released.
For example - you will be deprived of your right to a phone call if you are brought into custody acting like a complete "balloon" and kicking off with all and sundry.
You will have your clothing removed if you make repeated efforts to use it to make attempts to self harm however pathetic they might be.
You will be "fitted up" by being charged with criminal damage if you smash up your cell in custody.

If you consider that these actions are simply "idiotic" and as such the police are acting inappropriately then perhaps you might benefit from becoming a lay visitor and actually visiting some custody blocks.

16 February, 2010 12:42

Anonymous shijuro said...

well - in 20-years I have never met an guilty person in prison...

all innocent ;-)

16 February, 2010 17:20

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are there two Ali Dizaels. I know of the chancer now in prison, who is the other innocent man fitted up, why have we not heard of him.

16 February, 2010 20:13

Blogger PC Bloggs said...

Annie, anon at 12:42 sums up what I was aiming for.

The point is that if someone has been "deprived of medical attention", before assuming that the Daily Mail is reporting the story correctly, it's worth considering if perhaps the doctor was called, but said person refused to see them?

16 February, 2010 22:17

Anonymous Shalashar said...

Minority Report Officer

You've made some pretty serious allegations here, I presume you have something other then vitriol to back them up? (Innocent until proven guilty and all that).

Also, I suggest you look up the term "netiquette" and see how that applies to your curious usage of caps.

As ever sarge (congrats btw), it's been a pleasure reading.

16 February, 2010 23:28

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shalashar. I have no 'vitriol', only an interest in, and a sworn duty to protect life. Or at least try to do that, I believe is the 'mission statement'.

The fact that you find my use of capital letters 'curious', to highlight and focus the readers attention on the message, is rather curious in itself.

As a writer I will use capitals if necessary to emphasise key words. If this goes against a set of guidlines for people using the Internet, well tough. Who are the faceless rule makers, who seek to tell me how I should deliver an important message of injustice?

That Ali Dizaei was found guilty really does not mean that he actually is guilty of the crimes he was accused of. There have been numerous cases of people who have been found 'guilty', who were in fact innocent. Stephan K. who was sent to prison for the murder of Lesley Molseed [1975] His mother campaigned for his release and he was eventually released and proved to be innocent. Injustices happen.


17 February, 2010 00:23

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Metcountymounty made a good point - the first comment on here. Stories like the PC who fined someone for dropping a £10 note can do more harm to the image of the police, perhaps even than officers who are caught out breaking the law themselves. Fining someone for dropping his own money, which I assume he promptly picked up, is just petty minded. Or worse than that - Orwellian!

Surely those in charge of officers on the beat must give them some sort of guidance as to public relations and good will? People do only remember the negative stories, and those are the stories that the newspapers appear to focus on, for the most part.

17 February, 2010 00:38

Anonymous shijuro said...

MRO- yes, there are people in prison that didnt do it.

If you have a system with humans in it you will have system prone to the failings of human nature... (error- malice etc).

However, its the only system we have and for every Steven K, Bham 6/guilford4 et al... I will point you at the 70,000 or so rolling stock of prisoners that we (the Crim justice system) did get right.

Now i you were to ask ANY other public sector or private sector dept/company/org - for success figures to rival that- I would think they would be hard pressed to provide them.

Its not a perfect system.
We are not perfect people.
To expect it to be perfect is at best unrealistic- at worse delusional.

17 February, 2010 10:15

Anonymous Shijuro said...

I forgot to add- that the reason these cases are so HIGH profile is their scarcity.

Have you ANY notion of how many people and cases are processed by Police and courts each day?

My Force took ONE MILLION 'phone calls last year !! a MILLION!!!

I suspect that you are - even by using probability- going to get upset and unhappy with the service types even in a utopian system.

17 February, 2010 10:18

Blogger glad to be retired said...

to Steve D. I posted earlier as Anon 1701. what I didn't mention was that I am a retired Police Officer so I know what is acceptable behaviour both by Police and the public. I had to post as Anon. because it wouldn't accept my sign in name and I didn't want to have to type my messade again

17 February, 2010 11:38

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shijuro...... I agree with what you have said in your comments above. Except for your last sentence....I'm not quite sure what you mean by that comment.

I fully understand and accept that no-one on earth is perfect. The system isn't perfect and the world isn't perfect. But where there is an injustice, or something badly wrong, I am not the type to just "walk on by and say nothing". Especially if the situation is serious, or will have serious and far reaching consequences on a larger number of people.

I also believe that it is a rather foolish and deluded notion of government, and top brass, to play the old game of "everything is fine, speak of no evil".....when clearly everything is NOT FINE!!! Because that sort of head in the sand [or up backside] thinking, doesn't sort out the huge elephant in the room. Never did, never will. The "elephant" just got bigger, and bigger, and more of a problem.

Life is about constant change and improvement, learning from the mistakes of the past, so that our children and grandchildren have a better lives. It's called evolution....... and the ultimate goal [not jail] is spiritual perfection, found in Heaven. Meanwhile earth lives are the "classroom" and humans are here to LEARN and progress up the "spiritual ladder" to eventual spiritual perfection. It does take many life times of reincarnation however! And some are very slow to learn lessons and to "get it".

My local force "took" rather a lot of accurate, useful and valuable information from myself, and behaved in an arrogant, selfish and disrespectful manner towards me. Your suspicions about my not being at all happy about that insult, are spot on Shijuro.......
And just because the system deals with a lot of cases each day/year, it still does NOT excuse such a poor attitude and treatment of someone who is working "backstage".


18 February, 2010 00:14

Anonymous shijuro said...

MRO- my comment was trying to get over that even with a Police force staffed by highly trained, highly motivated, well equipped, honest, intelligent people- you will get complaints.

I am not seeking to excuse anything. however, I suspect that the 'rosy coloured' glasses worn by a fair amount of people fail to see their own behaviour.

I am an atheist- not spiritual at all... however, I remember someone long ago saying 'how can you say here brother let me remove the splinter from your eye' when you fail to see the plank in your own'.

Love it.

My thoughts are really along the lines of- people in this country have a good Police Force 98-times out of a 100... whilst I would accept that the pursuit of perfection is an admirable trait - it is also doomed to failure...

observations of the universe show us- perfection dont exist...

18 February, 2010 17:07

Anonymous Ambulance Amateur said...

The police are the public and the public are the police

If the above is true, there will be some idiots in the police, some crooks, some miserable barstewards and a lot of good, honest people trying their hardest to do a difficult job.

Yes, I've had a less than successful encounter with a police officer (a sergeant). It was shortly before 5.30 am. He'd been up all night and I was still trying to realise why I'd needed to get up (morning shift). I was striding out to get to the bus stop for the first bus and dressed for work - in a potentially mucky job, as a hands-on dyer.

He was suspicious of me and I was in a hurry. His first question was crass, as was my reply.

Is it any wonder we banged heads?

Since then, I've had a much greater experience of police officers, particularly over the last three years. My webname may give a clue.

I don't do the St John thing in uniform, but I work as a volunteer with the ambulance service. In so doing, I end up working with police officers in such circumstances as unexpected death. Being trained in first aid too, I'm the one who'll stop at an RTC. I get nothing but acceptance and respect from the officers I deal with.

I see them deal with the public too. In the vast majority of cases, these officers are courteous and helpful.

I can even say that, some years back when I was a bit prone to being silly on a motorcycle, when they've nicked me - justifiably - for motoring offences, they were polite and doing their job.

Yes, complain about the idiots but don't tar all officers with the same brush.

18 February, 2010 22:03

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shijuro.....Perfection does exist, in the spiritual realm. The beauty of nature, flowers, trees and landscape, is perfection. Human beings are not perfect, so we agree about that observation. I have said before on this blog, that there are more good police officers than dodgy ones, and more good people than "evil" ones. It's a sad fact that the "baddies", wherever they are, in a minority, spoil life and everything around them, and that affects the good folk adversly.

I have had very good cause to "complain", but it would be a waste of time and a distraction from a more serious issue. People make mistakes because they are human, and that can be forgiven, if the mistake is acknowledged and put right. What annoys me, is when those at the top of the tree, refuse to acknowledge mistakes, and conspire to cover them up with lies, and further wrong doing.

What I also find bizarre, is that government and the public expect police officers TO BE "perfect" and superhuman in every way. They want them to keep a lid on chaos and anarchy, and to deal with all the violent dodgy geezers and behave like Saints whilst doing that "dirty job".

Ali Dizaei may well be a colourful character with an interesting history, a lot of which is more than likely a "dodgy dossier" by intent to discredit him.

What I am trying to say is, how can society expect police officers to be all Pink and Fluffy, like virginal little choirboys, and still deal with the crap end of society effectively? That expectation is delusional and unreasonable.

I am well aware of just how mean spirited and petty minded some people can be, with their nit picking and snide remarks, assumptions and false accusations.
Quite how they actually believe that they have a right to criticise and pass negative comment, upon someone who did or does a shitty and dangerous job, that THEY certainly would not, or could not do, is gobsmacking.

If I were to make an official complaint, about the manner in which I have been treated; I would aim it at the appropriate target - the government, and not at decent officers on the ground, following orders from higher ups.


19 February, 2010 02:59

Anonymous Shijuro said...

perfection is a human ideal- it does not exist anymore than the ideal of joy does.

Only human arrogance would put their own frame of reference on the universe (a big place...).

Just my opinion - dont mean anything.

I note that that fuckwit troll is back stealing IDs again... what a cock...

19 February, 2010 10:03

Anonymous Serpico said...

Ambulance Amateur - In reference to your comments i.e. complain about the idiots but don't tar all officers with the same brush.
As a police officer I wanted to say thanks. It is nice to view some comments which don’t give us a bad name.

19 February, 2010 19:28

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Anonymous Steve D, said...

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20 February, 2010 17:19

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously, MRO, get over yourself.

20 February, 2010 21:32

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Depriving suspects of sleep is one thing, letting them then have access to EE's blog is quite another...

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21 February, 2010 21:33

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am happy to say i was able to answer no to all of your questions!!! This must be how i have managed to get to the ripe old age of 38 without ever having been as much as stopped let alone arrested. I have managed to get through various break ups without police input as well and i have never fallen out with my neighbours!
On a more serious note, most decent people have not been turned against Police Officers by the Dezei case. The vast majority of Police officers are honest and hardworking, doing their best.
Dezei was news because he was the exception.

21 February, 2010 22:53

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody have a clue as to what the Joker is whittering on about? "Depriving 'suspects' of sleep is one thing, letting them then have access to EE's blog is quite another".... Who is this Joker talking about? And whom does s/he assume is being deprived of sleep? And I thought that just the obvious trolls were weird.....

23 February, 2010 01:08

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In answer to your question Bloggsy, "How do we win back the support of society, without ceasing our relentless pressure on those who commit crimes against it"?

No easy solutions to that, considering the mess that has been created by decades of government "tinkering" with how the force always did the seemingly thankless but vital job.

The obvious answer is to get back to basics and to stop the practice of making a big issue [and a crime] out of petty incidents, like kids scrapping in the playground, and couples having an argument. The government are turning vast numbers of people, including children, into "criminals" because of their policy of recording "crimes".

It has been said before many times and many police blogs, that there is a need to get back to using discretion for minor incidents.
I've also read many a cynical moan by officers, that they are "not social workers" whose job it is to sort out the MoP's problems.

Perhaps that sort of skewed thinking has got a lot to do with what has gone wrong. Peel's Principles - to keep the Queen's Peace, Protect Life, Property and Prevent Crime, as well as detect crime. Sorting out disputes between couples, neighbours, kids, IS keeping the Queen's Peace, and also probably preventing crime, with strong verbal warnings and an active police presence in society.

There's an interesting post by Insp Gadget titled "Back Stabbed" that just about sums it all up. Crime Analyst has left a very interesting and insightful comment.
The "problem", it appears, is ACPO!
I think we can blame NuLabour for the shambles, and all say our prayers, for "deliverance" from their control and oppression.

An Anon left a comment above that stated... Seriously, MRO, get over yourself.

Well Anon, I am aware that it is impossible to please all of the people all of the time, and I'm well "over that" disappointment, having done my best in an uphill struggle against idiots, the insane and the malicious. But hey ho, at least I did try, which is more than some could claim.

I don't know if I will ever "get over" being raped, further abused, undermined, backstabbed and robbed, substantially robbed of a great deal, and not just financially. But I have come to terms with the fact, that there really are some right assholes in this world, and that I don't have a magic wand to turn them into frogs.....

23 February, 2010 01:55

Blogger Annie said...

Anon @ 16 Feb, 12:42-
Then yes, you're right, I was wrong.
I've been in contact with some great police officers, and heard about some woeful ones (Victoria has amazing corruption stories), so I was sad to think that "Pc Bloggs" would be equating the genuine strife and bull police have to put up with from some suspects - with behaviour from police that is unacceptable (which I know also exists).

And thank you to "Pc Bloggs" for responding - I cannot remember ever reading one of your posts and disagreeing with you, or feeling that you were supporting something bad in the police, which is why it rubbed me the wrong way when I thought you might have been.

25 February, 2010 10:10

Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the public perceive police officers as cruel, unkind and lacking compassion arrogant people, who are puffed up with their own sense of power, backstabbing a fellow officer, they lose respect for them. Reality in black and white, and once that has been done, the common enemy has won.....and you lose a great deal more than you can quantify.....

27 February, 2010 05:59

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The everyone continually makes the assumption that the airing of an slip is similar with the discovery of truly - that the howler and actuality are merely opposite. They are nothing of the sort. What the world turns to, when it is cured on a particular gaffe, is almost always simply another solecism, and perhaps one worse than the senior one.

14 April, 2010 11:34

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The circle eternally makes the assumption that the exposure of an at fault b mistakenly is comparable with the conception of accuracy - that the erroneously and actuality are plainly opposite. They are nothing of the sort. What the world turns to, when it is cured on joined literal, is commonly simply another fault, and maybe one worse than the first one.

14 April, 2010 15:35

Anonymous uk bingo said...

I believe that racial discrimination is long gone. It's poverty versus wealth, wherein justice only serves the better people. Even society will only favor those who can compromise to their needs. This is the sad truth not only in a country but also with the rest of the world. Each has their own purpose and value to the society, but the society itself will only be grateful to those who are known to be in the top of the food chain.

23 April, 2010 13:49

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A humankind begins scathing his perceptiveness teeth the earliest often he bites on holiday more than he can chew.

15 June, 2010 18:41


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